Offensive or Educational?

Recently, near where I live, a driver collided with a mobile sign that tells you when you are speeding.

The driver was killed in the impact.

A few days later it was revealed the driver’s blood alcohol content was almost 3 times over the legal limit.

Passing by the crash site the other day, traffic slowed to a near stop when family members lay flowers and crosses to remember their loved one lost in the impact.

I am temped to erect a large sign that reads “A Drunk Driver Killed Themselves Here.”

Offensive or educational?

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125 thoughts on “Offensive or Educational?”

  1. I can see how it may be offensive to the ‘victim’s’ family, however in my state I have seen a few signs that say something to the effect of “Please Don’t Drink and Drive. In Memory of John A Smith” along with the obligatory crosses and such. I don’t feel the signs to be offensive personally.

    Respectfully,
    ~Brad
    @EMTGoose

  2. I can see how it may be offensive to the ‘victim’s’ family, however in my state I have seen a few signs that say something to the effect of “Please Don’t Drink and Drive. In Memory of John A Smith” along with the obligatory crosses and such. I don’t feel the signs to be offensive personally.

    Respectfully,
    ~Brad
    @EMTGoose

  3. educational. the family still has a right to mourn… people make poor choices every day. this day: that person chose poorly and they’ll never live to choose anything else. but as in my most recent post: it’s still a drunk driver. I have no pity for them. they endanger our lives selfishly. they endanger our families lives, and they make our job more dangerous than it already is.

    put up the sign.

  4. educational. the family still has a right to mourn… people make poor choices every day. this day: that person chose poorly and they’ll never live to choose anything else. but as in my most recent post: it’s still a drunk driver. I have no pity for them. they endanger our lives selfishly. they endanger our families lives, and they make our job more dangerous than it already is.

    put up the sign.

  5. In South Dakota they place signs near accident sites that say “Why die?”. The Driver’s Ed teacher in our area makes his students count how many signs there are on road trips. (Not while driving).
    It’s a good reminder.

  6. In South Dakota they place signs near accident sites that say “Why die?”. The Driver’s Ed teacher in our area makes his students count how many signs there are on road trips. (Not while driving).
    It’s a good reminder.

  7. Both. Offensive isn’t always a bad thing and we shouldn’t be so afraid of being offended or offensive. In the right context something offensive makes you stop, step outside the moment and see it objectively. In this case a drunk-driver killed himself. Thank god he didn’t kill anyone else, which is too often the case.

  8. I say put up a sign and I don’t care if it is offensive to some especially if the person died while under the influence of drugs or alcohol or doing something stupid that put other peoples lives at risk..they obviously didn’t care about anyone else.

  9. Both. Offensive isn’t always a bad thing and we shouldn’t be so afraid of being offended or offensive. In the right context something offensive makes you stop, step outside the moment and see it objectively. In this case a drunk-driver killed himself. Thank god he didn’t kill anyone else, which is too often the case.

  10. I say put up a sign and I don’t care if it is offensive to some especially if the person died while under the influence of drugs or alcohol or doing something stupid that put other peoples lives at risk..they obviously didn’t care about anyone else.

  11. What is offensive is drinking and driving and leaving your loved ones( and who ever else you might have killed ) to mourn and grieve your stupid and thoughtless choice. We all make mistakes – but you must learn from them when you are given the ooportunity.

  12. What is offensive is drinking and driving and leaving your loved ones( and who ever else you might have killed ) to mourn and grieve your stupid and thoughtless choice. We all make mistakes – but you must learn from them when you are given the ooportunity.

  13. while I don’t agree with drunk driving , by saying that you have no pity for someone that was handed a death sentence for a poor choice they made is offensive to me what if that was one of your family members? would you pity them then? a human life is equal in value no matter the circumstance I think that is something our job requires us to believe don’t you?

    1. I want passers by to know it wasn’t an innocent pedestrian or an accident that led to the flowers and crosses, but a poor decision that led to death. I would feel the same if it was my mother. I have no pity for the person who chose to drive drunk and kill themselves. I’m just thankful they went alone. Harsh? Surely, such is life.

      1. How about reading my comment… If you can’t have an ounce of respect or regard for the family OR the person killed, then you need to get out of the fire/ems business.

        1. Hahahahhaa…. oh god. You’re priceless. HM get out of the fire/ems business? You might as well just give the fire/ems service a death sentence. Happy’s the best thing to happen to EMS in years.

          He would ABSOLUTELY be on my list of people I’d want first on scene if I was injured, or caring for my parents, friends, you name it.

          You took one post of his, and judged his entire person by it. Maybe you should as is said on teh internets… “lurk moar.”

        1. This is not in my service area, but where I live, a number of communities away. had I been involved in the call, this would of course be inappropriate for me to place. however, as a bystander and community member, I feel there is a clear disconnect.
          It IS about HOW they died, that’s the whole point.

      2. I think it all comes down to your motives in placing the sign. I have to say, and I hope this is not offensive to you, I’m glad your empathy or sympathy holds no weight in my life.

    2. Its not about attacking the person or thier family its about tackling an issue. and if more signs were put up such as Drunk driver killed himself here-> or Loved one killed by drunk driver here-> Lady sent her last text message here -> would definitly have an impact would you want your last act to be broadcast like that? yeah me neither you wouldnt catch me dead as the cause and we cant controll the drunk driver lottery

  14. while I don’t agree with drunk driving , by saying that you have no pity for someone that was handed a death sentence for a poor choice they made is offensive to me what if that was one of your family members? would you pity them then? a human life is equal in value no matter the circumstance I think that is something our job requires us to believe don’t you?

    1. I want passers by to know it wasn’t an innocent pedestrian or an accident that led to the flowers and crosses, but a poor decision that led to death. I would feel the same if it was my mother. I have no pity for the person who chose to drive drunk and kill themselves. I’m just thankful they went alone. Harsh? Surely, such is life.

      1. How about reading my comment… If you can’t have an ounce of respect or regard for the family OR the person killed, then you need to get out of the fire/ems business.

        1. Hahahahhaa…. oh god. You’re priceless. HM get out of the fire/ems business? You might as well just give the fire/ems service a death sentence. Happy’s the best thing to happen to EMS in years.

          He would ABSOLUTELY be on my list of people I’d want first on scene if I was injured, or caring for my parents, friends, you name it.

          You took one post of his, and judged his entire person by it. Maybe you should as is said on teh internets… “lurk moar.”

        1. This is not in my service area, but where I live, a number of communities away. had I been involved in the call, this would of course be inappropriate for me to place. however, as a bystander and community member, I feel there is a clear disconnect.
          It IS about HOW they died, that’s the whole point.

      2. I think it all comes down to your motives in placing the sign. I have to say, and I hope this is not offensive to you, I’m glad your empathy or sympathy holds no weight in my life.

    2. Its not about attacking the person or thier family its about tackling an issue. and if more signs were put up such as Drunk driver killed himself here-> or Loved one killed by drunk driver here-> Lady sent her last text message here -> would definitly have an impact would you want your last act to be broadcast like that? yeah me neither you wouldnt catch me dead as the cause and we cant controll the drunk driver lottery

  15. I say unless your state/local government has passed a law or an ordinance saying this can be done dont get caught putting the sign up because it could cause problems with your department because of the professionalism aspect however this is the teachable moment…..and if you miss the teachable moment its as if this guy died for nothing even if he did he can be used to teach other people

  16. I say unless your state/local government has passed a law or an ordinance saying this can be done dont get caught putting the sign up because it could cause problems with your department because of the professionalism aspect however this is the teachable moment…..and if you miss the teachable moment its as if this guy died for nothing even if he did he can be used to teach other people

    1. How about reading my comment… If you can’t have an ounce of respect or regard for the family OR the person killed, then you need to get out of the fire/ems business.

    1. How about reading my comment… If you can’t have an ounce of respect or regard for the family OR the person killed, then you need to get out of the fire/ems business.

  17. Absolutely offensive!!!!!!! I’m speaking from experience as one who has lost a family member in a car accident. No drugs and alcohol did not play a role in his accident, we really aren’t sure what did. You need to think about the family and what they’re going through. Yes, people make bad choices, but their family pays for it when they die in such a manner. Please, don’t hurt the family anymore than what they are. My family had to fight with a newspaper who had no regard for us and our feelings after my cousin died. And just reading this makes me relive his death and the moments after all over again. It just seems that some people have no regard for a family who tragically loses a loved one. All of you should stop and think about that while I spend the rest of the day in tears.

    1. My mother committed suicide but that doesn’t necessarily mean I have pity for every suicidal person. Yes, the family should be considered and is a big part of the equasion, but this particular person made a choice. We are not talking about your cousin (who, as you said, did not make the same choice), we’re talking about a person who had no regard for his own or anyone else’s safety or well being. Completely different situation in everything except the EXACT mechanism of death.

      I do want to give my condolences for the loss of your cousin, however.

    2. in that case there wouldnt be a sign put up if there is no outright causation like Drunk driving or texting both of which cause a large amount of Mortality and morbidity, its not about causing pain that isnt the reasoning. the reasoning is if something can be done to cause people to make decisions prior to ever starting to drink or text to not engage in the activity or atleast not get into that car after you have drank a few or if you must text pull over into a safe area and text or even better call the other party and tell them you are driving and it will be a few minutes before you will be able to talk to them then continue sure it could be considered rude but if you were driving down the road and got plowed by someone who has been drinking heavily for a couple hours doing 80 in a 55mph zone and runs the stop sign. the next and possibly last thing you would say is WTF and you (if you survived and could talk) and your family would want to see the guy pay for what he did to you and you would have no problems with a sign stating a drunk driver ran a stop sign and killed/maimed someone here-> I do apologize that your cousin could not be saved however if something would have been done differently that day if the other driver wasnt reaching for lipstick in the back seat or swatting at a Bee your cousin would be here today if one of those signs could save 1 person they could save hundreds if not thousands of lives.

    3. Ashes, I think you misinterpret the point, here. It’s because of our pain in seeing innocent people die, like your family member, that we’re against people that drink and drive. You should be glad that there are people like Justin that care as much as they do.

    4. Sorry for your loss. But this isn’t directed at you.

      Too bad for the drunk who removed himself from the gene pool. The ‘poor choice he made” could have affected many others. Usually the drunk driver who kills isn’t driving impaired for the first time, and the family is aware of the problem and does nothing about it. Thankfully this one only took himself out rather than a family of 6.

      Fire/EMS/LEOs lack sympathy for drunk drivers because we see the results of their selfishness. I’m sick of scraping dead kids off the pavement because someone only had “two beers”.

  18. Absolutely offensive!!!!!!! I’m speaking from experience as one who has lost a family member in a car accident. No drugs and alcohol did not play a role in his accident, we really aren’t sure what did. You need to think about the family and what they’re going through. Yes, people make bad choices, but their family pays for it when they die in such a manner. Please, don’t hurt the family anymore than what they are. My family had to fight with a newspaper who had no regard for us and our feelings after my cousin died. And just reading this makes me relive his death and the moments after all over again. It just seems that some people have no regard for a family who tragically loses a loved one. All of you should stop and think about that while I spend the rest of the day in tears.

    1. My mother committed suicide but that doesn’t necessarily mean I have pity for every suicidal person. Yes, the family should be considered and is a big part of the equasion, but this particular person made a choice. We are not talking about your cousin (who, as you said, did not make the same choice), we’re talking about a person who had no regard for his own or anyone else’s safety or well being. Completely different situation in everything except the EXACT mechanism of death.

      I do want to give my condolences for the loss of your cousin, however.

    2. in that case there wouldnt be a sign put up if there is no outright causation like Drunk driving or texting both of which cause a large amount of Mortality and morbidity, its not about causing pain that isnt the reasoning. the reasoning is if something can be done to cause people to make decisions prior to ever starting to drink or text to not engage in the activity or atleast not get into that car after you have drank a few or if you must text pull over into a safe area and text or even better call the other party and tell them you are driving and it will be a few minutes before you will be able to talk to them then continue sure it could be considered rude but if you were driving down the road and got plowed by someone who has been drinking heavily for a couple hours doing 80 in a 55mph zone and runs the stop sign. the next and possibly last thing you would say is WTF and you (if you survived and could talk) and your family would want to see the guy pay for what he did to you and you would have no problems with a sign stating a drunk driver ran a stop sign and killed/maimed someone here-> I do apologize that your cousin could not be saved however if something would have been done differently that day if the other driver wasnt reaching for lipstick in the back seat or swatting at a Bee your cousin would be here today if one of those signs could save 1 person they could save hundreds if not thousands of lives.

    3. Ashes, I think you misinterpret the point, here. It’s because of our pain in seeing innocent people die, like your family member, that we’re against people that drink and drive. You should be glad that there are people like Justin that care as much as they do.

    4. Sorry for your loss. But this isn’t directed at you.

      Too bad for the drunk who removed himself from the gene pool. The ‘poor choice he made” could have affected many others. Usually the drunk driver who kills isn’t driving impaired for the first time, and the family is aware of the problem and does nothing about it. Thankfully this one only took himself out rather than a family of 6.

      Fire/EMS/LEOs lack sympathy for drunk drivers because we see the results of their selfishness. I’m sick of scraping dead kids off the pavement because someone only had “two beers”.

  19. I have family members that have killed themselves by driving drunk, i was on an accident scene of someone i went to school with who was intoxicated when he struck a tree killing himself. I WISH people would place a sign that said this person took their final drunken ride next to their accident scenes, because JUST MAYBE their loved ones, friends, and family would get the point that the “don’t drink and drive” means something, and it CAN happen to you or someone you love. Sugar coating the incident only makes it less educational. I blieve in being outright honest and sometimes the truth HURTS

    1. Ï agree wholeheartedly, and yes it’s happened in my family too (or something similar) Ash is missing the point- sure you’re hurting- so are all of us who have had someone killed through doing something stupid (or maybe unlucky in your case) and have had the crap from the papers etc. but if putting up a sign stopped one more person ending up dead then I think ultimately the families will come to an understanding- and if they don’t then too bad quite frankly. Offensive- yeh sure but sometimes that what it takes to make people take notice.
      On googling for “roadside crosses” while looking for an article on a NZ policeman who was taking photos of them a few years back I came across a site called- “Roadside crosses, God’s way of saying a shitty driver was here”- I think that sums it up. Road accidents are very rarely that- an accident, there is always a cause and usually that cause is , in the words of the old joke “the nut behind the wheel”, when I pass some of the crosses which mark particularly stupid and needless deaths my thoughts are not “”oh waht a shame but oh what an idiot”, what is needed is a way to target others to take note as well.
      The only problem is that after a while shock tactics cease to shock, they only work for a while then you have to come up with a new way of making people take notice.
      Should it be done- hell yeh- just don’t get caught!

  20. I have family members that have killed themselves by driving drunk, i was on an accident scene of someone i went to school with who was intoxicated when he struck a tree killing himself. I WISH people would place a sign that said this person took their final drunken ride next to their accident scenes, because JUST MAYBE their loved ones, friends, and family would get the point that the “don’t drink and drive” means something, and it CAN happen to you or someone you love. Sugar coating the incident only makes it less educational. I blieve in being outright honest and sometimes the truth HURTS

    1. Ï agree wholeheartedly, and yes it’s happened in my family too (or something similar) Ash is missing the point- sure you’re hurting- so are all of us who have had someone killed through doing something stupid (or maybe unlucky in your case) and have had the crap from the papers etc. but if putting up a sign stopped one more person ending up dead then I think ultimately the families will come to an understanding- and if they don’t then too bad quite frankly. Offensive- yeh sure but sometimes that what it takes to make people take notice.
      On googling for “roadside crosses” while looking for an article on a NZ policeman who was taking photos of them a few years back I came across a site called- “Roadside crosses, God’s way of saying a shitty driver was here”- I think that sums it up. Road accidents are very rarely that- an accident, there is always a cause and usually that cause is , in the words of the old joke “the nut behind the wheel”, when I pass some of the crosses which mark particularly stupid and needless deaths my thoughts are not “”oh waht a shame but oh what an idiot”, what is needed is a way to target others to take note as well.
      The only problem is that after a while shock tactics cease to shock, they only work for a while then you have to come up with a new way of making people take notice.
      Should it be done- hell yeh- just don’t get caught!

  21. @Ash685~Don’t ever fool yourself into thinking that we as EMS personnel “Don’t think about the family” and those that are left behind. That is one of the things that makes this job so very hard to do!!! Many of us carry pieces of those loved ones who have passed away in our rigs or in or care along with us in our hearts and memories for a lifetime.
    I’m so very sorry for the loss of your cousin, but as you stated, drugs or alcohol were not a factor in his accident, so to compare this to our thoughts on posting a sign saying “a drunk driver killed himself/herself here” is totally off base and if by chance posting that sign makes just ONE drunk person pull a vehicle over and call for a sober ride, or not drive drunk in the first place….it was worth it. And I’d be willing to bet the family of the person who died would also feel relief in knowing that the death of their loved one saved another person~or an innocent family hit by a drunk driver…..
    My condolences to you and your family on your loss.

  22. @Ash685~Don’t ever fool yourself into thinking that we as EMS personnel “Don’t think about the family” and those that are left behind. That is one of the things that makes this job so very hard to do!!! Many of us carry pieces of those loved ones who have passed away in our rigs or in or care along with us in our hearts and memories for a lifetime.
    I’m so very sorry for the loss of your cousin, but as you stated, drugs or alcohol were not a factor in his accident, so to compare this to our thoughts on posting a sign saying “a drunk driver killed himself/herself here” is totally off base and if by chance posting that sign makes just ONE drunk person pull a vehicle over and call for a sober ride, or not drive drunk in the first place….it was worth it. And I’d be willing to bet the family of the person who died would also feel relief in knowing that the death of their loved one saved another person~or an innocent family hit by a drunk driver…..
    My condolences to you and your family on your loss.

  23. Millions are spent each year in all 50 states on drinking and driving. There should be no more funds soaked up in a system that is not working to the level we wish it would. It is time for the law to start to work.
    States and Federal law should pass a law that if a drunk driver kills anyone in a car wreck or walking down the side walk should without bail or released for any reason “KILLED”. I would think hanging would stop 60 to 75% of dranking and driving. If they were high on a illegal drug same fate.

    You will always have 25 to 40% that will not comply. They didn’t in the 1930s, way think they would today. Drug dealer same fate feeding drugs to are kids. Killing them as early as 5,6,7 years of age.

    Drug Dealers should be fear for there life. Public hangs stopped alot of crimes. There are certian crimes worth going to trail but not these it is wate of tax payers funds and it is all for lawyers. Having to build jail a/c and collor tv with movie channels. They get first chance to get a Pell grant for a collgee education. They are given every chance in the world. They get out prison and within 2 years on average they are back inside if not soone.

    We have a un-wining problem being passive. This is war and it is eating our families.

    It would only make you madat how they would make fun of the videos you would try to educate them. I know I have tried untill it was just no use in trying..

  24. Millions are spent each year in all 50 states on drinking and driving. There should be no more funds soaked up in a system that is not working to the level we wish it would. It is time for the law to start to work.
    States and Federal law should pass a law that if a drunk driver kills anyone in a car wreck or walking down the side walk should without bail or released for any reason “KILLED”. I would think hanging would stop 60 to 75% of dranking and driving. If they were high on a illegal drug same fate.

    You will always have 25 to 40% that will not comply. They didn’t in the 1930s, way think they would today. Drug dealer same fate feeding drugs to are kids. Killing them as early as 5,6,7 years of age.

    Drug Dealers should be fear for there life. Public hangs stopped alot of crimes. There are certian crimes worth going to trail but not these it is wate of tax payers funds and it is all for lawyers. Having to build jail a/c and collor tv with movie channels. They get first chance to get a Pell grant for a collgee education. They are given every chance in the world. They get out prison and within 2 years on average they are back inside if not soone.

    We have a un-wining problem being passive. This is war and it is eating our families.

    It would only make you madat how they would make fun of the videos you would try to educate them. I know I have tried untill it was just no use in trying..

  25. Too often drunk driving incidents get swept under the rug. Unless it’s a high-profile crash, the public seldom hears about it, and when they do, the “publicity” doesn’t last long. Yes, everyone hears “Don’t drink & drive” all their lives, but it’s almost at the point where we hear it so much it no longer means anything. If there were signs like this posted at all drunk driving crash sites, it would be harder for people to ignore how prevalent the problem actually is. If you pass ten of these signs on your way to the bar, maybe you’ll think twice about driving home afterwards. I don’t think that merely posting a factual statement that someone lost their life due to drunk driving is disrespectful or offensive. The family might not like it in their emotional state, but if you could ask them about it before their loved one lost his life, their answers might be different. Especially if you could say that seeing another sign like it might have kept him from driving home that night – he might still be alive.

  26. Too often drunk driving incidents get swept under the rug. Unless it’s a high-profile crash, the public seldom hears about it, and when they do, the “publicity” doesn’t last long. Yes, everyone hears “Don’t drink & drive” all their lives, but it’s almost at the point where we hear it so much it no longer means anything. If there were signs like this posted at all drunk driving crash sites, it would be harder for people to ignore how prevalent the problem actually is. If you pass ten of these signs on your way to the bar, maybe you’ll think twice about driving home afterwards. I don’t think that merely posting a factual statement that someone lost their life due to drunk driving is disrespectful or offensive. The family might not like it in their emotional state, but if you could ask them about it before their loved one lost his life, their answers might be different. Especially if you could say that seeing another sign like it might have kept him from driving home that night – he might still be alive.

      1. well this is your website I would hope you arent inebriated and driving, and if you are i am hoping you found a steering wheel on the side of the road and are pretending to drive and a police officer pulls you over wondering why you are walking down the road with a steering wheel which is still dangerous but not to anyone else and would make for an interesting post so please get on that if you would i bet the police officer sites you for DUI LOL

          1. yeah, my fault. I was trying to get the story out, it hadnt been totally formed and kept evolving as I was typing.

      2. In legal terms, the difference between “accident” and “murder” is often knowledge and intent. You may not have the intent of killing anyone, but you had the knowledge that you’d been drinking, and certainly the knowledge that alcohol impairs judgement, coordination, reflexes, etc. The media and groups like MADD have made sure that, unless you really do live under a rock, you are aware of the potential effects of drunk driving, particularly on the innocent person sharing the road. So I think getting behind the wheel knowing you’ve been drinking and knowing the possible result is tantamount to intent. You know there is a chance you could kill someone, and you willingly drive anyway…you don’t care about the possible consequences. Charge it as with knowledge and intent – aka, attempted murder.

      1. well this is your website I would hope you arent inebriated and driving, and if you are i am hoping you found a steering wheel on the side of the road and are pretending to drive and a police officer pulls you over wondering why you are walking down the road with a steering wheel which is still dangerous but not to anyone else and would make for an interesting post so please get on that if you would i bet the police officer sites you for DUI LOL

          1. yeah, my fault. I was trying to get the story out, it hadnt been totally formed and kept evolving as I was typing.

      2. In legal terms, the difference between “accident” and “murder” is often knowledge and intent. You may not have the intent of killing anyone, but you had the knowledge that you’d been drinking, and certainly the knowledge that alcohol impairs judgement, coordination, reflexes, etc. The media and groups like MADD have made sure that, unless you really do live under a rock, you are aware of the potential effects of drunk driving, particularly on the innocent person sharing the road. So I think getting behind the wheel knowing you’ve been drinking and knowing the possible result is tantamount to intent. You know there is a chance you could kill someone, and you willingly drive anyway…you don’t care about the possible consequences. Charge it as with knowledge and intent – aka, attempted murder.

  27. in tom vanderbilt’s book traffic, he makes a great point that we as a society need to stop using the word “accident” unless it truly was accidental and instead call them what they are – irresponsible driving, drunk driving, driving while high on drugs, driving while texting, driving while talking on a phone, driving too fast, tailgating, not paying attention, etc.

    it’s ridiculous that we’d accept 40,000 road deaths every year.

  28. in tom vanderbilt’s book traffic, he makes a great point that we as a society need to stop using the word “accident” unless it truly was accidental and instead call them what they are – irresponsible driving, drunk driving, driving while high on drugs, driving while texting, driving while talking on a phone, driving too fast, tailgating, not paying attention, etc.

    it’s ridiculous that we’d accept 40,000 road deaths every year.

  29. I’m all for the sign. Sure, it’s offensive, but it might make someone else think twice about driving drunk. I had a friend who was killed by a drunk driver (he got hit passenger side by a pickup while driving his car) and that’s one of the first things we put up at the site. “our loved was killed here by a drunk driver”. Lots of cars slowed down after that one….and for the record, his mom was all for it.

    1. @Medicnai, The difference in your case is that you are not implicating the deceased as guilty of a crime which resulted in him killed. HM’s sign does that. And no one likes to be told they are “wrong” or doing something “illegal” (just ask MotorCop). In HM’s case, the family doesn’t want to “see” a sign implicating their dead beloved as having done something wrong.

      Nobody likes it, but it’s REALITY. I would support HM’s sign, offensive as it may be to tell the truth.

  30. I’m all for the sign. Sure, it’s offensive, but it might make someone else think twice about driving drunk. I had a friend who was killed by a drunk driver (he got hit passenger side by a pickup while driving his car) and that’s one of the first things we put up at the site. “our loved was killed here by a drunk driver”. Lots of cars slowed down after that one….and for the record, his mom was all for it.

    1. @Medicnai, The difference in your case is that you are not implicating the deceased as guilty of a crime which resulted in him killed. HM’s sign does that. And no one likes to be told they are “wrong” or doing something “illegal” (just ask MotorCop). In HM’s case, the family doesn’t want to “see” a sign implicating their dead beloved as having done something wrong.

      Nobody likes it, but it’s REALITY. I would support HM’s sign, offensive as it may be to tell the truth.

  31. I think it should be posted. Idiot drinking and driving. I bet the family will try and sue the city, saying if the mobile speed sign was not there, their loved one would still be alive. I say he would still be alive to drink and drive again and possibly run down someone innocent.

    post the sign. f’ the family.

  32. I think it should be posted. Idiot drinking and driving. I bet the family will try and sue the city, saying if the mobile speed sign was not there, their loved one would still be alive. I say he would still be alive to drink and drive again and possibly run down someone innocent.

    post the sign. f’ the family.

  33. Instead of posting a sign, put the crashed, cut up car there as the sign. Let people see what the result of poor choices are. We as a society have become top concerned about the “feelings” of our fellow man. Does that mean be insensitive? Not at all, but sometimes a slap in the face is just what is needed to wake us up.

  34. Instead of posting a sign, put the crashed, cut up car there as the sign. Let people see what the result of poor choices are. We as a society have become top concerned about the “feelings” of our fellow man. Does that mean be insensitive? Not at all, but sometimes a slap in the face is just what is needed to wake us up.

  35. Offensive to a grieving family. A person died. The family didn’t drive drunk/ crash & they are hurting. Why punish them? On the other hand, leaving crashed cars at the roadside along with a “drunk driver” sign would probably be a very effective deterrent. Unfortunately, in our country, we are far too lenient with drunk drivers. There’s no point in name-calling and there’s no point in calling crashes like these “accidents”. Drunk drivers are drunk drivers & they should not be out there on the roadways.

    1. I agree, there are so many repeat offenders in my state (North Carolina). I have seen in the paper where someone was recently convicted in court of there sixth DUI and still got probation. How many times is too many?

  36. Offensive to a grieving family. A person died. The family didn’t drive drunk/ crash & they are hurting. Why punish them? On the other hand, leaving crashed cars at the roadside along with a “drunk driver” sign would probably be a very effective deterrent. Unfortunately, in our country, we are far too lenient with drunk drivers. There’s no point in name-calling and there’s no point in calling crashes like these “accidents”. Drunk drivers are drunk drivers & they should not be out there on the roadways.

    1. I agree, there are so many repeat offenders in my state (North Carolina). I have seen in the paper where someone was recently convicted in court of there sixth DUI and still got probation. How many times is too many?

  37. Not sure how I managed to miss this post until now… Sorry Happy! The sign is indeed offensive. It needs to be in six foot high letters, black on a reflective background, and well lit at night too. It needs to be offensive. I’m truly sorry for the victim’s family. They are the real injured parties in this.
    But it would be a lot more offensive if we just accepted it as another statistic, whilst there is something more that we could be doing, something that may be offensive, but at the same time, hopefully effective!!!

  38. Not sure how I managed to miss this post until now… Sorry Happy! The sign is indeed offensive. It needs to be in six foot high letters, black on a reflective background, and well lit at night too. It needs to be offensive. I’m truly sorry for the victim’s family. They are the real injured parties in this.
    But it would be a lot more offensive if we just accepted it as another statistic, whilst there is something more that we could be doing, something that may be offensive, but at the same time, hopefully effective!!!

  39. The grammar is offensive. The drunk driver killed himself, not themselves. Jeez, if you’re going to be controversial. get it right!

  40. The grammar is offensive. The drunk driver killed himself, not themselves. Jeez, if you’re going to be controversial, get it right!

  41. The thing about learning is that there are several different ways to learn. Visual, tactile, verbal, etc….

    The sign would be a good start, but I gree and lets add the remains of the car too.

    For many years the local Sherriff’s department brought a car that had been involved in a double fatal drunk driving crash to the county fair and set it up right on the midway near the exit so everyone HAD to look at it as they left.

    Good visual aid, that.

  42. The thing about learning is that there are several different ways to learn. Visual, tactile, verbal, etc….

    The sign would be a good start, but I gree and lets add the remains of the car too.

    For many years the local Sherriff’s department brought a car that had been involved in a double fatal drunk driving crash to the county fair and set it up right on the midway near the exit so everyone HAD to look at it as they left.

    Good visual aid, that.

  43. It’s offensive. It offends me that a person who made a poor decision and paid for it with his life is forever after branded “a drunk driver.” Semantics aren’t the point, though, but rather the fact that so many of you are so quick to judge, to label, to condemn. Any sign put on such a site should express regret and caution. The focus should be on the dangers and consequences of the act of drunk driving. Directing blame at those most affected by it is astoundingly insensitive.

    1. “It offends me that a person who made a poor decision and paid for it with his life is forever after branded ‘a drunk driver.’”

      What would you prefer s/he be called? Simply “dead from his poor choices” ?

      “Directing blame at those most affected by it is astoundingly insensitive.”

      I’m having a hard time understanding where your comment is coming from. A big problem we have in the world today is that people are not willing to take responsibility for their actions.

      Are you saying that the deceased person should not be blamed for killing himself? I can’t imagine you are, but….?

      Or are you saying these comments are directing blame at the family? I didn’t see anything like that.

      Please explain, I’m confused.

      1. I’m saying that the focus should be on the act of drunk driving, not the drunk driver. A bad choice does not make a bad person. It really bothers me that people slap on the label “drunk driver” and erase everything about a person except their last, bad decision.

        I’m vehemently opposed to drunk driving; I never do it, and I go to great lengths to prevent my friends doing it. Nevertheless, drunk driving is not a basis on which to judge the value of another person. I can’t break it down any more than that.

        1. Quote: “It really bothers me that people slap on the label “drunk driver” and erase everything about a person except their last, bad decision.”

          The people posting the sign, if such a sign were posted, aren’t doing this. The drunk driver himself was the one who “erased everything” – including his own life. I also don’t buy the argument about the sign “forever after branding” that person. Anyone who sees the sign doesn’t know the name of the guy anyway. Anyone who does know who he was necessarily knows more about him than just the content of the sign. And while it would be damaging to be known as a drunk driver, I think that’s the point. It’s a horrible, inexcusable thing to do, and you bloody well should face some consequences if you do it.

          In principle, I don’t disagree with the added deterrent of placing the destroyed car at the scene either, but in practice I can see how it might distract drivers – wondering, as they pass, what happened to the car, or even if it’s a recent emergency and they should stop and try to help – so I’m not sure that would be the best idea. Maybe it would be better to place the car in a display somewhere, where people can see it who are not also trying to concentrate on their own driving at that moment? Just a thought…

          And to everyone who said we need to demonstrate responsibility for our own actions, amen to that.

    2. what would you suggest is said on the sign because having a sign up saying in loving memory of Soandso wassombody” isnt waking people up in fact the drunk driver in question probably passed one of those signs on the way to the Pub….. Are you here to say that calling somebody a Drunk Driver is insensitive? If he would have survived this crash and had been caught drinking and driving what would they call him in Jail?
      he would be called a DRUNK DRIVER in jail too. Is is that you really think this is offensive or are you like me you dont want the last idiotic thing you do to be Broadcast?
      yeah me neither thats why you wont catch me alive or dead driving drunk……..and thats what the sign would cause people to say holy crap i am not becoming evening news AND a roadside safety message…

  44. It’s offensive. It offends me that a person who made a poor decision and paid for it with his life is forever after branded “a drunk driver.” Semantics aren’t the point, though, but rather the fact that so many of you are so quick to judge, to label, to condemn. Any sign put on such a site should express regret and caution. The focus should be on the dangers and consequences of the act of drunk driving. Directing blame at those most affected by it is astoundingly insensitive.

    1. “It offends me that a person who made a poor decision and paid for it with his life is forever after branded ‘a drunk driver.’”

      What would you prefer s/he be called? Simply “dead from his poor choices” ?

      “Directing blame at those most affected by it is astoundingly insensitive.”

      I’m having a hard time understanding where your comment is coming from. A big problem we have in the world today is that people are not willing to take responsibility for their actions.

      Are you saying that the deceased person should not be blamed for killing himself? I can’t imagine you are, but….?

      Or are you saying these comments are directing blame at the family? I didn’t see anything like that.

      Please explain, I’m confused.

      1. I’m saying that the focus should be on the act of drunk driving, not the drunk driver. A bad choice does not make a bad person. It really bothers me that people slap on the label “drunk driver” and erase everything about a person except their last, bad decision.

        I’m vehemently opposed to drunk driving; I never do it, and I go to great lengths to prevent my friends doing it. Nevertheless, drunk driving is not a basis on which to judge the value of another person. I can’t break it down any more than that.

        1. Quote: “It really bothers me that people slap on the label “drunk driver” and erase everything about a person except their last, bad decision.”

          The people posting the sign, if such a sign were posted, aren’t doing this. The drunk driver himself was the one who “erased everything” – including his own life. I also don’t buy the argument about the sign “forever after branding” that person. Anyone who sees the sign doesn’t know the name of the guy anyway. Anyone who does know who he was necessarily knows more about him than just the content of the sign. And while it would be damaging to be known as a drunk driver, I think that’s the point. It’s a horrible, inexcusable thing to do, and you bloody well should face some consequences if you do it.

          In principle, I don’t disagree with the added deterrent of placing the destroyed car at the scene either, but in practice I can see how it might distract drivers – wondering, as they pass, what happened to the car, or even if it’s a recent emergency and they should stop and try to help – so I’m not sure that would be the best idea. Maybe it would be better to place the car in a display somewhere, where people can see it who are not also trying to concentrate on their own driving at that moment? Just a thought…

          And to everyone who said we need to demonstrate responsibility for our own actions, amen to that.

    2. what would you suggest is said on the sign because having a sign up saying in loving memory of Soandso wassombody” isnt waking people up in fact the drunk driver in question probably passed one of those signs on the way to the Pub….. Are you here to say that calling somebody a Drunk Driver is insensitive? If he would have survived this crash and had been caught drinking and driving what would they call him in Jail?
      he would be called a DRUNK DRIVER in jail too. Is is that you really think this is offensive or are you like me you dont want the last idiotic thing you do to be Broadcast?
      yeah me neither thats why you wont catch me alive or dead driving drunk……..and thats what the sign would cause people to say holy crap i am not becoming evening news AND a roadside safety message…

  45. Why not a system of coloured crosses to mark where people have died in traffic incidents? Red for alcohol involved, blue for speed, yellow for cell phone / texting, etc. No blame – could have been the driver or an innocent bystander – the colour just indicates the main cause of the incident that lead to their death.
    Simple, neat and tells the story without brandishing it in huge letters or on a sign which can be distracting on its own.
    Here in Perth, Australia they are debating this concept as some of the roadside memorials are becoming over the top and quite distracting to drivers (candles, photos, even a chair by the side to hold vigil over a year past the event) A good public awareness of the meaning of the colours brings the message home when you start to see cross after cross as you drive each day.

  46. Why not a system of coloured crosses to mark where people have died in traffic incidents? Red for alcohol involved, blue for speed, yellow for cell phone / texting, etc. No blame – could have been the driver or an innocent bystander – the colour just indicates the main cause of the incident that lead to their death.
    Simple, neat and tells the story without brandishing it in huge letters or on a sign which can be distracting on its own.
    Here in Perth, Australia they are debating this concept as some of the roadside memorials are becoming over the top and quite distracting to drivers (candles, photos, even a chair by the side to hold vigil over a year past the event) A good public awareness of the meaning of the colours brings the message home when you start to see cross after cross as you drive each day.

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